Propellerhead.. what are they up to now?

[Jay]

Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.

imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.

the Octorex thing is quite handy if it bothers you having several rex player on screen, the drum machine is naff! seen better on these forums from some of you guys! The gui is a slight improvement from the last disaster

I won't be upgrading my multi license for the studio nor will i be upgrading my personal version!

I recon Malc and co put more effort into our free updates than the props have done here - We should remember that the next time we all start whining about new features or updates in general (me included!)

Best regards

[infuzion]

Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.

imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.

I felt the same way of upgrading Reason v3 to v4; Thor is great, but not worth the cost/time compared to what I thought SM could do to me at the time. But for me or anyone one else to buy Record 1.0 for $150, & getting a solid pitch corrector/effects (which retails for $100-200USD) is well worth it IMHO. Also since I skipped the Reason v4 upgrade, I get for free a new drum synth, Thor, better editing, etc. I'm not so sure if that drum synth is so easy to dismiss since you can re-route the drum synths effects to anything, so even if you're not loving it you can still use it. I'm used to skipping versions to save money (doing the same thing to skip Live8), but I think Propellerheads can charge more for upgrades since their software is rock-solid; have you ever seen a "Reason crashes too much" forum thread ever? If you're looking for free upgrades then use freeware, which I do sometimes also. Professional software has its costs.

Comparing Reason to SM is unfair, since:
1) SM has 0.4 of a dev split between running 3-5 other SM-related tasks, Propellerheads is has a full team.
2) Reason is multi-platform, SM will be stuck forever on PC-only it seems.
3) SM still crashes occasionally, host compatibility issues, has memory leaks/overwrites. Reason is always solid.
4) Reason you pay a few extra dollars for no-drama upgrades, SM you pay in time for lots of beta-testing & bug reporting (atleast I & a dozen other have).
5) Many of the SM's "upgrades" were more like bug fixes/workarounds or adding to SM what should have been there in the first place. FlowStone is the only real big upgrade, & that is a payed upgrade (if you're making large OSMs etc). There may have been a few bonus features added to SM, but Reason2.5 was a decent free upgrade and the pitch-correcter for Record owners worth the Record price by itself.

[2nvu]

Well i am testing Reason 5 atm and i have to say i am not very impressed tbh, Yes it is still the great prog it has always been (I've used it since v1) its the little amount of stuff that has been added or changed that i find fairy unimpressive.

imho this should have been an update and not a new version! it is just as bad as when, after several years of the reason community begging for audio in they bring out Record as a separate package forcing the dedicated users to either buy and move to another sequencer or get Record (which is toy town bollocks!) just do do a nowadays basic function.

I felt the same way of upgrading Reason v3 to v4; Thor is great, but not worth the cost/time compared to what I thought SM could do to me at the time. But for me or anyone one else to buy Record 1.0 for $150, & getting a solid pitch corrector/effects (which retails for $100-200USD) is well worth it IMHO. Also since I skipped the Reason v4 upgrade, I get for free a new drum synth, Thor, better editing, etc. I'm not so sure if that drum synth is so easy to dismiss since you can re-route the drum synths effects to anything, so even if you're not loving it you can still use it. I'm used to skipping versions to save money (doing the same thing to skip Live8), but I think Propellerheads can charge more for upgrades since their software is rock-solid; have you ever seen a "Reason crashes too much" forum thread ever? If you're looking for free upgrades then use freeware, which I do sometimes also. Professional software has its costs.

Comparing Reason to SM is unfair, since:
1) SM has 0.4 of a dev split between running 3-5 other SM-related tasks, Propellerheads is has a full team.
2) Reason is multi-platform, SM will be stuck forever on PC-only it seems.
3) SM still crashes occasionally, host compatibility issues, has memory leaks/overwrites. Reason is always solid.
4) Reason you pay a few extra dollars for no-drama upgrades, SM you pay in time for lots of beta-testing & bug reporting (atleast I & a dozen other have).
5) Many of the SM's "upgrades" were more like bug fixes/workarounds or adding to SM what should have been there in the first place. FlowStone is the only real big upgrade, & that is a payed upgrade (if you're making large OSMs etc). There may have been a few bonus features added to SM, but Reason2.5 was a decent free upgrade and the pitch-correcter for Record owners worth the Record price by itself.

Wow i guess thats us told then ,,, lol,,, your not wrong actualy, i have always loved Reason for that very "reason" of never crashing, infact i really cant remember the last time it did, as it happens i only use it as a plugin/Rewire these days, Thor & Malmstrom, o yeh & Rex for stealing quick D&B kits,,, lol ,,, after all , No one could "seriously" concider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit , great for singular work , not Mass ? of course thats only in my opinion Ps,,, Record should of been Reason 4.5.0 Mixingdesk+Pitch correction,O yeh & thoses """embeded""" tunes that weigh in at almost 500 Megs, WTF,,, was that stunt...lol

[oddson]

...No one could "seriously" consider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit...

I'm often hearing some fairly dismissive comments about Reason/Record but I'm not sure what evidence the people making these accusations are using.

OK so it's not 24 bit... what makes you say 'weird sounding' and 'not quite 16 bit'?

It seems no matter what the app someone thinks it's crap... that's fair enough but to suggest 'no one' could use it seems a bit too harsh.

[2nvu]

...No one could "seriously" consider Mastering a Full Track from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit...

I'm often hearing some fairly dismissive comments about Reason/Record but I'm not sure what evidence the people making these accusations are using.

OK so it's not 24 bit... what makes you say 'weird sounding' and 'not quite 16 bit'?

It seems no matter what the app someone thinks it's crap... that's fair enough but to suggest 'no one' could use it seems a bit too harsh.

Here's the full qoute" > No one could "seriously" concider Mastering a {{{{Full Track}}}} from Reason , with its weird sounding, not quite 16bit , great for singular work , not Mass ? Please post me a link to some Tracks that you are sure where entirley Masterd & bounced out of Reason, dont get me wrong i have been with propellaheads since they poped up.& i love Reason4, but for Mastering , yukkk ,it Sucks bigtime , & the weird 16 bit thing, it does not sound Phatt & Warm,no matter how much Eq'ing or comp you throw @ a mix,,,,

[oddson]

My argument isn't whether anyone does master with Reason (from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios) it's your claim that "no one" could serious consider mastering with it and that there is something intrinsically weird and sub-par about the 16 bit sound the application delivers.

Frankly I'm not sure that the mastering process is still important in the all digital age except that it's become 'common practice.'

Mastering originally was about transferring to LP in a way that didn't compromise the physical limitations of the media. I think now it's mostly about compressing and EQ'ing the recorded results into a form that meets the expectations of the public... but that's an aside... what I'm really after is what evidence there is that there is something intrinsically inferior about Reason/Record other than it's 16 bit limit.

[oddson]

p.s. I'm not saying there isn't something... i'd just like to know what it is and what evidence there is for it.

I've been using Record for my own music lately and with my middle-aged hearing I couldn't say more than 'it sounds OK to me'!

[2nvu]

p.s. I'm not saying there isn't something... i'd just like to know what it is and what evidence there is for it.

I've been using Record for my own music lately and with my middle-aged hearing I couldn't say more than 'it sounds OK to me'!

Go to a Pro studio , that uses Reason, My guess is, if they where going to Bounce anything out of Reason, say a nice little intro or somthing, using some of the more "respectable" sides to Reason ,eg /Thor/Malm/ or any of the sampler's then they will "probably" reach for a host/ProTools/Nuendo/Cubase/Abletonlive > / > Rewire. & if they did,nt follow that simple protocol for acheiving a far better sound quality, i would not want them Mastering my stuff? Record should in my opinion have been Reason 4.5.0,,, with out thoses CRAP,,new Synths they threw in,,,GM sounding RuBBish,,,& dont get me started on them Guitar Pods either,,, Yukkkk ,,,, Distortion that sounds like Broken Glass

[Jay]

maybe i was a bit hard on them lol, actually i never knew about the pitch correction in record will have to look at it, i currently use Melodyne and sometimes but rarely now, i use an old hardware Autotune box that came from Antares before the Autotune software.
You are perfectly right on the subject of stability of Props stuff, i can't think of having any crashes ever using Reason,Recycle or Rebirth except using rewire within Cubase and that was likely not to be a Props problem giving their awesome track record!

I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props

Best regards

[Nu Audio Science]

(from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios)

Just out of interest i know of at least three of the top mastering houses in the world now use Reaper for mastering
But other than that the ones i have used in the past up until now have pretty much used the high end Sony sonic systems

I wouldn't like to comment on Reason sounding good or not because i can actually point to a whole bunch of songs made entirely in Reason that i would happily play in a DJ set
However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo
Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published

I wouldn't personally touch it with a bargepole and the bloated nature of Record scared me away faster than anything else
The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really
Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same

NAS

[infuzion]

I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props

If you never use Kong, then I'd say the rest of Reason5.0 is not worth it either. But if you're sitting on Reason 3.0 like I was then buying Record1.0 now is GO GO GO since all you're getting is so worth $160USD!

oddson: Most tips I see about mastering is to do it in 24bit for the extra dynamics headroom.

However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo
Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published
...The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really
Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same

I think Reason/Record is somewhat limited since they seem to target people who think in a certain way, back in the old hardware days. Sometimes limits can open door to ingenuity. I'm not huge on the GUI overall, but I can live with it. Sometimes I do wish I went with FL Studio instead, but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound.

That is wack that your review didn't get published. I don't weigh in on magazine & online reviews much anyway; too many negative will prevent them from getting free product. I would like to see your review on Reason5/Record1.5 sometime though!

Wow, I didn't know Reaper was so stable! I'm wondering if they're taking Protools' crowd yet?
Honestly, I'd like to see the VST standard done away with & ReWire made into 2-way communication. Could solve alot of VST issues on both sides.

[Acrobat]

I do wish the module interacting was more like Buzz; that's what attracted me to SM. But it does work very solidly.

Actually, there IS more interacting than audio. A secondary patching system in Reason is CV and gate emulation, since the 2.0 version you can drive many modules with the same impulses...

No, I meant on a GUI-level, such as Buzz's straight-lines-connecting-small-squares setup, rather than the semi-real-life simulation of rack-mounted gear with many loose cables connecting them all.

You'll definitely never see something like that on Reason. You said by yourself, "semi-real-life" is their philosophy from the very start, in the same track as their "Rebirth" first product. Quite cool things but it's like drawing a sculpture on a piece of paper, it will never give you 3D!
One thing other software houses should imitate is the perfect stability of the whole stuff.

[2nvu]

I will keep testing though as things have a tendency to grow on me,But i still don't see the same greatness we have become used to seeing from the Props

If you never use Kong, then I'd say the rest of Reason5.0 is not worth it either. But if you're sitting on Reason 3.0 like I was then buying Record1.0 now is GO GO GO since all you're getting is so worth $160USD!

oddson: Most tips I see about mastering is to do it in 24bit for the extra dynamics headroom.

However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo
Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published
...The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really
Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same

I think Reason/Record is somewhat limited since they seem to target people who think in a certain way, back in the old hardware days. Sometimes limits can open door to ingenuity. I'm not huge on the GUI overall, but I can live with it. Sometimes I do wish I went with FL Studio instead, but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound.

That is wack that your review didn't get published. I don't weigh in on magazine & online reviews much anyway; too many negative will prevent them from getting free product. I would like to see your review on Reason5/Record1.5 sometime though!

Wow, I didn't know Reaper was so stable! I'm wondering if they're taking Protools' crowd yet?
Honestly, I'd like to see the VST standard done away with & ReWire made into 2-way communication. Could solve alot of VST issues on both sides.

but I do prefer Reason's "sheen" sound 15&half bit lol

[2nvu]

(from what little I understand specialty mastering applications are still favoured by commercial studios)

Just out of interest i know of at least three of the top mastering houses in the world now use Reaper for mastering
But other than that the ones i have used in the past up until now have pretty much used the high end Sony sonic systems

I wouldn't like to comment on Reason sounding good or not because i can actually point to a whole bunch of songs made entirely in Reason that i would happily play in a DJ set
However for myself i found it very limiting and Record even more so, in fact i would go as far as saying the only thing i found of remote interest to me was the pitching algo
Beyond that it all seemed a little insular and up its own a*s, i got a free copy to review and when props read my review they wanted so much changed that it was handed to another reviewer and after he said pretty much the same things the review was never published

I wouldn't personally touch it with a bargepole and the bloated nature of Record scared me away faster than anything else
The old classic of "It's so stable because it doesn't run VST plugins" is a total bunch of crap nowadays really
Last time Reaper crashed on me was so long ago i think it was pre v1 and i am pretty sure plenty of hosts can now claim to be the same

NAS

Yeh, i got a soft spot for Reaper,,, it sort of reminds me of early Logic , a program i refuse to take of my system even tho i hardly ever use it , God dam Apple_eddzz Mac Snobbery ? lol

[Acrobat]

Some news: it seems the Propellerhead guys are out with a Reason satellite software for recording audio called "Record" aside the usual virtual instruments.
Well, at last, vocal tracks can be done!
I just wonder how a decent sync will be performed ... oh well that's a DAWs issue anyway...